Comments on: Can Tasktop bring order to chaos? http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/ Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:30:16 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: beatmik http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-27 beatmik Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:58:17 +0000 http://www.mberkay.com/?p=27#comment-27 Users access our forums via Tasktop, which requires an account to connect to Bugzilla. We find the integrated task editor a very effective mechanism for community communication and don't use the Web UI at all. Also, we make all bugs visible to registered users, and would need to make it very clear that what users submit would be visible to the world (common in open source, not common in product land). However, it does get annoying when we're trying to communicate something to someone who is no signed up for the user community, as is the case when linking to bugs on blogs. We'll discuss this and re-consider the policy for the Tasktop Summer release. Users access our forums via Tasktop, which requires an account to connect to Bugzilla. We find the integrated task editor a very effective mechanism for community communication and don’t use the Web UI at all. Also, we make all bugs visible to registered users, and would need to make it very clear that what users submit would be visible to the world (common in open source, not common in product land). However, it does get annoying when we’re trying to communicate something to someone who is no signed up for the user community, as is the case when linking to bugs on blogs. We’ll discuss this and re-consider the policy for the Tasktop Summer release.

]]> By: berkay http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-26 berkay Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:57:43 +0000 http://www.mberkay.com/?p=27#comment-26 Mik, Thanks for the information, much appreciated! Firefox plans are music to my ears, looking forward to it.! Curious: why do you keep your forums under lock and key? Wouldn't it be better if people can see (not post) what's going on without a user account, search traffic etc. seems odd. waiting for my password reminder .. Mik,

Thanks for the information, much appreciated! Firefox plans are music to my ears, looking forward to it.!

Curious: why do you keep your forums under lock and key? Wouldn’t it be better if people can see (not post) what’s going on without a user account, search traffic etc. seems odd.
waiting for my password reminder ..

]]> By: beatmik http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-25 beatmik Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:56:33 +0000 http://www.mberkay.com/?p=27#comment-25 "I found myself going back to Firefox repeatedly and having to do some manual work with Tasktop which is not the idea. It looks like Tasktop bets the product on the assumption that people will not mind switching their browsers and will use the embedded browser. They may be right. I’m guessing that they target the corporate world which overwhelmingly uses IE and don’t think IE users have a particular loyalty to their browser and may welcome the embedded tasktop browser. This is not the case for me." Great points. This is precisely the reason why we don't provide a standalone release of Tasktop for the Mac yet. The problem is that the Safari/WebKit integration with Eclipse is not sufficient to provide a seamlessly integrated browsing experience. In contrast, Internet Explorer does a great job supporting embedding, which allows us to have a full-featured browsing experience within Tasktop on Windows. We're doing two things about this. First, we are working on improving the Eclipse and Mac browser embedding, and you'll see some those improvements surface in the Tasktop Summer release, scheduled for mid-July. In addition, we have had a lot of user feedback about browser integration and realize that some will want to use Tasktop alongside their regular browser as you allude to. While this does compromise the user experience some (more switching between windows) we think we can streamline it enough to still give you the majority of the benefits of the task-focused interface. The first browser we plan to do this for is Firefox, due to its extensibility. We should be starting on that work later this summer, and it would be great to hear your and other interested users' feedback. 128: support monitoring of browsing activity within Firefox https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=128 General Mac discussion is on: 2: provide a Tasktop distribution for Mac OS X https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=2 (If you're using Tasktop those links will open up with its rich editor without requiring sign-in, just one of the ways we leverage being the default browser :) -- Mik Kersten President & CTO, http://tasktop.com Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylyn “I found myself going back to Firefox repeatedly and having to do some manual work with Tasktop which is not the idea. It looks like Tasktop bets the product on the assumption that people will not mind switching their browsers and will use the embedded browser. They may be right. I’m guessing that they target the corporate world which overwhelmingly uses IE and don’t think IE users have a particular loyalty to their browser and may welcome the embedded tasktop browser. This is not the case for me.”

Great points. This is precisely the reason why we don’t provide a standalone release of Tasktop for the Mac yet. The problem is that the Safari/WebKit integration with Eclipse is not sufficient to provide a seamlessly integrated browsing experience. In contrast, Internet Explorer does a great job supporting embedding, which allows us to have a full-featured browsing experience within Tasktop on Windows.

We’re doing two things about this. First, we are working on improving the Eclipse and Mac browser embedding, and you’ll see some those improvements surface in the Tasktop Summer release, scheduled for mid-July. In addition, we have had a lot of user feedback about browser integration and realize that some will want to use Tasktop alongside their regular browser as you allude to. While this does compromise the user experience some (more switching between windows) we think we can streamline it enough to still give you the majority of the benefits of the task-focused interface. The first browser we plan to do this for is Firefox, due to its extensibility. We should be starting on that work later this summer, and it would be great to hear your and other interested users’ feedback.

128: support monitoring of browsing activity within Firefox
https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=128

General Mac discussion is on:

2: provide a Tasktop distribution for Mac OS X
https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=2

(If you’re using Tasktop those links will open up with its rich editor without requiring sign-in, just one of the ways we leverage being the default browser :)

–
Mik Kersten
President & CTO, http://tasktop.com
Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylyn

]]> By: berkay http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-24 berkay Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:55:05 +0000 http://www.mberkay.com/?p=27#comment-24 Hi Tim, Definitely sounds interesting. I've added your feed. looking forward to it. Hi Tim,
Definitely sounds interesting. I’ve added your feed. looking forward to it.

]]> By: beatmik http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-41 beatmik Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:22:24 +0000 http://www.mberkay.com/?p=27#comment-41 Users access our forums via Tasktop, which requires an account to connect to Bugzilla. We find the integrated task editor a very effective mechanism for community communication and don't use the Web UI at all. Also, we make all bugs visible to registered users, and would need to make it very clear that what users submit would be visible to the world (common in open source, not common in product land). However, it does get annoying when we're trying to communicate something to someone who is no signed up for the user community, as is the case when linking to bugs on blogs. We'll discuss this and re-consider the policy for the Tasktop Summer release. Users access our forums via Tasktop, which requires an account to connect to Bugzilla. We find the integrated task editor a very effective mechanism for community communication and don't use the Web UI at all. Also, we make all bugs visible to registered users, and would need to make it very clear that what users submit would be visible to the world (common in open source, not common in product land). However, it does get annoying when we're trying to communicate something to someone who is no signed up for the user community, as is the case when linking to bugs on blogs. We'll discuss this and re-consider the policy for the Tasktop Summer release.

]]> By: berkay http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-40 berkay Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:25:18 +0000 http://www.mberkay.com/?p=27#comment-40 Mik, <br><br>Thanks for the information, much appreciated! Firefox plans are music to my ears, looking forward to it.!<br><br>Curious: why do you keep your forums under lock and key? Wouldn't it be better if people can see (not post) what's going on without a user account, search traffic etc. seems odd.<br>waiting for my password reminder .. Mik,

Thanks for the information, much appreciated! Firefox plans are music to my ears, looking forward to it.!

Curious: why do you keep your forums under lock and key? Wouldn't it be better if people can see (not post) what's going on without a user account, search traffic etc. seems odd.
waiting for my password reminder ..

]]> By: beatmik http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-39 beatmik Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:04:55 +0000 http://www.mberkay.com/?p=27#comment-39 <blockquote>I found myself going back to Firefox repeatedly and having to do some manual work with Tasktop which is not the idea. It looks like Tasktop bets the product on the assumption that people will not mind switching their browsers and will use the embedded browser. They may be right. I’m guessing that they target the corporate world which overwhelmingly uses IE and don’t think IE users have a particular loyalty to their browser and may welcome the embedded tasktop browser. This is not the case for me.</blockquote><br>Great points. This is precisely the reason why we don't provide a standalone release of Tasktop for the Mac yet. The problem is that the Safari/WebKit integration with Eclipse is not sufficient to provide a seamlessly integrated browsing experience. In contrast, Internet Explorer does a great job supporting embedding, which allows us to have a full-featured browsing experience within Tasktop on Windows.<br><br>We're doing two things about this. First, we are working on improving the Eclipse and Mac browser embedding, and you'll see some those improvements surface in the Tasktop Summer release, scheduled for mid-July. In addition, we have had a lot of user feedback about browser integration and realize that some will want to use Tasktop alongside their regular browser as you allude to. While this does compromise the user experience some (more switching between windows) we think we can streamline it enough to still give you the majority of the benefits of the task-focused interface. The first browser we plan to do this for is Firefox, due to its extensibility. We should be starting on that work later this summer, and it would be great to hear your and other interested users' feedback.<br><br>128: support monitoring of browsing activity within Firefox<br><a href="https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=128">https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=128</a><br><br>General Mac discussion is on:<br><br>2: provide a Tasktop distribution for Mac OS X<br><a href="https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=2">https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=2</a><br><br>(If you're using Tasktop those links will open up with its rich editor without requiring sign-in, just one of the ways we leverage being the default browser :)<br><br>--<br>Mik Kersten<br>President & CTO, <a href="http://tasktop.com">http://tasktop.com</a> <br>Project Lead, <a href="http://eclipse.org/mylyn">http://eclipse.org/mylyn</a>

I found myself going back to Firefox repeatedly and having to do some manual work with Tasktop which is not the idea. It looks like Tasktop bets the product on the assumption that people will not mind switching their browsers and will use the embedded browser. They may be right. I’m guessing that they target the corporate world which overwhelmingly uses IE and don’t think IE users have a particular loyalty to their browser and may welcome the embedded tasktop browser. This is not the case for me.

Great points. This is precisely the reason why we don't provide a standalone release of Tasktop for the Mac yet. The problem is that the Safari/WebKit integration with Eclipse is not sufficient to provide a seamlessly integrated browsing experience. In contrast, Internet Explorer does a great job supporting embedding, which allows us to have a full-featured browsing experience within Tasktop on Windows.

We're doing two things about this. First, we are working on improving the Eclipse and Mac browser embedding, and you'll see some those improvements surface in the Tasktop Summer release, scheduled for mid-July. In addition, we have had a lot of user feedback about browser integration and realize that some will want to use Tasktop alongside their regular browser as you allude to. While this does compromise the user experience some (more switching between windows) we think we can streamline it enough to still give you the majority of the benefits of the task-focused interface. The first browser we plan to do this for is Firefox, due to its extensibility. We should be starting on that work later this summer, and it would be great to hear your and other interested users' feedback.

128: support monitoring of browsing activity within Firefox
https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=128

General Mac discussion is on:

2: provide a Tasktop distribution for Mac OS X
https://tasktop.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=2

(If you're using Tasktop those links will open up with its rich editor without requiring sign-in, just one of the ways we leverage being the default browser :)

–
Mik Kersten
President & CTO, http://tasktop.com
Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylyn

]]> By: berkay http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-38 berkay Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:19:52 +0000 http://www.mberkay.com/?p=27#comment-38 Hi Tim, <br>Definitely sounds interesting. I've added your feed. looking forward to it. Hi Tim,
Definitely sounds interesting. I've added your feed. looking forward to it.

]]> By: timbauer http://www.mberkay.com/2008/06/01/can-tasktop-bring-order-to-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-8 timbauer Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:14:38 +0000 http://www.mberkay.com/?p=27#comment-8 I am running a similar team using Mylyn. The business side of the house has had some success w/ it + JIRA to do task tracking (similar to TaskTop it sounds) coupled with the beauty of context ala Mylyn but on non-code artifacts (docs, pdfs, etc). I am going to write up our experiences on my blog @ some point. If you are curious here is the link:<br><br><a href="http://timbauer.bauerfive.com">http://timbauer.bauerfive.com</a> I am running a similar team using Mylyn. The business side of the house has had some success w/ it + JIRA to do task tracking (similar to TaskTop it sounds) coupled with the beauty of context ala Mylyn but on non-code artifacts (docs, pdfs, etc). I am going to write up our experiences on my blog @ some point. If you are curious here is the link:

http://timbauer.bauerfive.com

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